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Retired police sergeant on school shootings, NRA, police body cams and unclaimed property

This week Beyond 90 Seconds interviewed retried Albuquerque police sergeant Dan Klein. 

These days, Klein writes opinion pieces for a New Mexico news blog.

Klein has been interviewed by Rolling Stone for a story about police body cameras.

He is also an expert concerning unclaimed property, and owns a business that specializes in putting unclaimed property back in the hands of its rightful owners.

Host Mark Horner has known Klein for about 20 years. They first met when Horner worked as television journalist in Albuquerque in the 1990’s.

This interview was streamed live on YouTube on Saturday, March 3, 2018.


NOTE: Interview begins at 5:13

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Time Codes for topics in interview:

5:13  Introductory remarks

7:36   Klein talks about writing for Albuquerque Free Press and Albuquerque Reports

8:39   Klein talks about his latest column about gun violence & fear

9:14   Parkland, Florida shooting

10:23 Klein:  “fear response” and “overreaction”

10:55 Virginia Tech

12:42 International terrorism

13:32 Klein on TSA & Homeland Security “overreaction”

14:12 Michigan policeman & wife shot by son

14:40 Klein on MSM analysts who speculate

15:42 Horner uses University of Arizona’s Sean Miller as example

16:22 Klein on media & politician mentions of mental illness in shootings

19:33 Klein on the NRA & gun laws

20:53 Klein on school shootings

22:32 Police body cameras

23:29  Klein on ACLU

23:55 Can you ask police to turn off body cam in your home?

24:38 Body cam video is a public record & anyone can request it

25:03 Klein: But Feds won’t wear body cameras

25:59 James Boyd shooting caught on body cam

26:24 Klein on his interview with Rolling Stone re Boyd shooting

29:40 When the public attempts to video police

32:07 Horner on the vulnerable & wrongly accused

 33:29  Klein: Prosecutors focused on “wins & losses,” not justice

36:21 Klein: Rarely hear DA say, “That was a bad arrest…”

36:59 Klein: “Places like Ferguson, Missouri” where PD budget is funded by fines

38:57 Illegal to film farms?

40:03 Unclaimed property segment begins

41:53 Klein explains unclaimed property & his connection to it

43:10 Klein: NY, TX and CA each sits on $10 billion in unclaimed property

44:24 CA changed law to “drill out” safe deposit boxes earlier

45:37 Klein on insurance companies & unclaimed property

46:25 Klein says Colorado is “ignoring its own statute” re unclaimed property

47:18 Horner “paints a picture” of Klein’s job re unclaimed property

48:25 Klein explains extent of work done by his company, USA Locators LLC

49:53 Klein on finding about large sum that belonged to homeless man

50:28 Klein on difference between probate law in New York & New Mexico

52:53 Klein on connecting Gerber life insurance policy with man whose wife & daughter were killed

56:31 The “Andy Griffith” unclaimed property case

58:26 Klein says he’s a different person now than when a police sergeant

58:45 Klein on what it was like working for police union after retiring

59:58 Klein on if you get a letter from USA Locators LLC or USA Finders Services LLC

1:02:59 Klein on how much due diligence he feels states apply to finding owners of unclaimed property

1:04:15 Klein on the need for “baby steps” with gun legislation

1:05:18 Klein on Florida legislature & Parkland students

1:06:30 Klein quotes Winston Churchill re Americans

1:08:24 Klein says he’s not disparaging the Parkland students

1:10:32 Klein on Newtown, Connecticut Sandy Hook Elementary shooting

1:13:09 Klein on why Parkland remains on the “front burner” in news coverage

1:14:18 Klein on President Trump and NRA

1:15:38 Klein:  “Why aren’t we talking about Michigan?”

1:15:58 Klein cites numbers re violent deaths and suicides by guns

1:17:07 Horner on context, mentions Kent State shooting

1:18:00 Klein quizzes Horner, asking, How many school shootings have occurred this year?

1:18:39 Klein cites Everytown for Gun Safety’s definition of school shooting

1:20:18 Klein asks, What makes school shootings more important than thousands of other gun deaths?

1:20:47 Klein brings up Western Europe’s low homicide rate

1:22:14 Klein shares what he feels the first “baby step” should be re gun legislation

1:24:15 Klein on why the DUI / DWI issue will “solve itself”

1:24:58 Horner wonders where states will draw funding when there’s no longer much fuel tax revenue

1:26:09 Conversation now on technology & alternative transportation such as ride share, Uber

1:27:45 Horner recommends the book, The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly

1:28:10 Klein on number 1 reason APD officers are disciplined (says it concerns body cameras)

1:29:20 Klein on “the problem with Taser” (now Axon)

1:32:23 Klein on the “big money” with body cameras: cloud storage

1:32:43 Klein expresses concerns about evidence being stored on cloud via third party companies such as (Klein says it’s owned by Taser)

1:37:20 Amazon Web Services cloud storage

1:38:16 Microsoft or Google in fight with federal government re servers in Ireland

1:38:50 On third party cloud, is there a chain of custody issue challenge?

1:41:11 Parting thoughts

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Get ready Balloon Fiesta, here comes Periscope!

Screenshot taken from live Periscope broadcast featuring Skype interview with Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta spokesperson Tom Garrity. Broadcast aired on Friday, October 2, 2015. (Text later added to image.)

Expect to see a large number of wondrous Periscope broadcasts from New Mexico over the next nine days.

The 44th annual Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta  gets underway at 6 A.M. Saturday with the Dawn Patrol.

In this new era of Periscope, I’ve been  thinking about all of the live streaming video that’s about to feature the magical skies and vibrant colors viewed from the balloon field, the city, and straight from the gondola.

When I worked as a reporter in Albuquerque (1995-2005), the #BalloonFiesta was touted as “the most-photographed event in the world.”

In the 90’s, KRQE-TV lugged around a clunky (by today’s standards), portable contraption affectionately called “the mule”.

The mule was a microwave broadcast unit that had to be pointed at a far-away tower atop the Sandia Mountains in order to achieve a live broadcast from the roving camera on the balloon field.

Now we can do all of that with technology held in the palm of our hand.

This year marks the first balloon fiesta since the Periscope launched earlier this year.

And it would seem that the hugely popular live streaming app could have a profound impact on the event.

At the very least, Periscope will introduce many around the globe to Albuquerque’s annual big-splash aimed at the early autumn skies.

People will will be watching the Periscope broadcasts on smartphones, tablets, and desktops.

Many people will get their first good look at a New Mexico sunrise, the winding Rio Grande, and the copper-colored leaves adorning cottonwoods along the river.

People will see and learn how mother nature’s “Albuquerque Box” is the engine fueling balloon voyages that go for miles, then land almost precisely where they began.

In addition to introductions and postcard-worthy views, Periscope will have at least one other impact, too.

The demand for bandwidth is likely to be greater than ever at this year’s balloon fiesta.

But that’s not all due to the arrival of Periscope, of course.

There will be more smartphones using more apps than ever before.

All of this contemplating about Periscope’s potential impact on the fast-arriving balloon fiesta is what, ultimately, compelled me to reach-out to the Balloon Fiesta’s spokesperson, Tom Garrity.

I well-remember Tom from my years spent in New Mexico.

It was gracious of him to agree to today’s interview featured in the video below.

We spoke via Skype, while streaming our conversation on…you guessed it…Periscope.

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A tale of two shootings: Albuquerque and Ferguson

Guest Commentary

Daniel Klein
Guest columnist Daniel Klein is a retired Albuquerque (NM) police sergeant. He worked for APD for twenty years.

by Daniel Klein

Ferguson and Albuquerque: two nice towns that have been all over the news for reasons that would make their Chambers of Commerce cry.


Albuquerque had the high-profile James Boyd police shooting. It was caught on video.

Boyd, a mentally ill homeless man, was killed by APD officers in March of 2014.

But the Boyd case is not the APD shooting that I think uniquely contrasts with Ferguson’s.

More on that in a moment.


Ferguson had the Michael Brown police shooting in August. It was not caught on video.

In the Brown case, a grand jury investigation considered statements from several witnesses.

Some of those statements support the officer’s account.

Some do not.

So many “experts” (i.e. politicians, attorneys and media members) were quick to question how witnesses in the Brown case could tell such different versions of the same event; many  whom hold  expert opinions seemed to push forward a growing sentiment that a conspiracy was unfolding.

I understand that politicians, attorneys and journalists don’t have to take courses in crime scene investigation, but this lack of comprehension is outrageous and often reckless.


Why do we have so many cameras watching every play in the NFL? Because each camera will tell a different story.

Why is it so hard for the media, attorneys, politicians and the public to understand this?


The Ferguson shooting case should have witnesses with differing points of view. If it didn’t, then I would begin to wonder if some sort of grand conspiracy had been unleashed.

This strikes me as common sense.

But, so often, it seems lost in the rush to blast-out inflammatory headlines; an emblazoned path with oft-scorched truths and buried facts, its twists and turns primarily aimed at shaking loose the most advertising dollars.

So let me make a definitive statement regarding all of the witnesses of the Ferguson shooting: they are all probably correct in what they witnessed (unless they intentionally lied to the grand jury).

No two people are going to view the same incident exactly the same way.  That is why we have the grand jury review all of the information from witnesses. Just like NFL replay.

Back to the original point of this column.


Albuquerque and Ferguson have far more in common concerning the Brown shooting than many likely realize.

Just five days before the Ferguson shooting—now famous for the “hands up, don’t shoot” slogan—the Albuquerque area had a police shooting that bears an eerie resemblance to the Ferguson’s.

This Albuquerque shooting began with a call to dispatch reporting road rage.

A man had rammed his ex-girlfriend’s car.

Once the car was disabled, the man tried to run the woman over, narrowly missing her.

As a Bernalillo County Deputy drove up to the scene, he was attacked while still inside his police vehicle.

Twice, the ex-boyfriend rammed his truck into the deputy’s police unit, pinning the deputy inside.

After the second ramming, the ex-boyfriend jumped out of this truck and was shot and killed by the deputy (who was injured and pinned inside his car).

At the moment he was shot, the ex-boyfriend had his hands up.

Does that mean he was surrendering?

Just because someone has their hands in the air, does that mean they are giving up?  That this violence they have brought to bear upon others has ended?

I don’t believe that’s always the case.


Just as in Ferguson, many witnesses will see the event from their own viewpoint, but this shooting in Albuquerque had one big difference.

It was recorded by a surveillance camera.

Everyone can see the incident from the viewpoint of the camera.

I would ask the reader to watch this video and then ask, Does hands up mean don’t shoot?

Do you think the ex-boyfriend was no longer a threat to the deputy who was injured and trapped inside his patrol car?

Watch this video and put yourself in the officer’s position.

See if you conclude that there was a lot more going on than just “hands up, don’t shoot.”




I think the entire nation should take a step back from making any decisions about Ferguson until we have thoroughly read the entire grand jury report.

I recognize that asking journalists, attorneys, politicians and citizens to take a step back and reasonably review the investigation won’t sell advertising and won’t stir the passions of civil discontent, but it might make all of us seem a bit more intelligent.

To those who do take pride in your reputation and don’t act hastily, I make one more request: demand that your friends, family and media do the same.

We will all be better off when we don’t blindly allow ourselves to be manipulated by the media, talking head politicians, our friends and family.

Research, review and think for yourself.

(Note: Additional video and information concerning last August’s shooting in Albuquerque can be found at KRQE-TV.)

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Girly Chew Hossencofft remembered 10 years after her murder

AUDIO: Former prosecutor Paul Spiers shares memories of “no body” case (runs 53:07)


(Text of audio’s introductory remarks)

Welcome to  I’m Mark Horner.

As I sit at my desk at home this evening…recording these words…I do so thinking about a murder that began to unfold exactly 10 years ago tonight.

For it was right around this time…on the evening of September 9, 1999…that a woman named Girly Chew Hossencofft was kidnapped from her Albuquerque apartment…

Her final breaths unfolding…along with the unspeakable acts that investigators believe led up to her death…and, in an even more grotesque fashion, the acts they say immediately followed Girly’s death.

You see…Girly Chew Hossencofft’s body…her remains, really…still have not been found.


But the evidence…the bloodstained tarp…the ninja sward…the saliva mixed with her blood…well, the prosecution, the police…they say it speaks volumes.

The man Girly was divorcing—the diabolical, severely impish, Diazien Hossencofft… is doing life in prison…So is his girlfriend, Linda Henning…a believer in the teachings of David Icke…to include the belief that many of our world’s leaders are, in their view, shape-shifting, blood-thirsty reptilians…who prefer nothing more than the drink of “starfire”…found within the blood of a freshly killed menstruating woman.

A third person in this case…the guy investigators claimed was the muscle behind the murder…was never convicted of anything resembling the gravity of all of that.  Instead…Bill Miller pleaded guilty to a few misdemeanors related to the tampering of evidence.  He got credit for time served….about 7 weeks in jail.

In fact, Miller’s filed suit against three of the investigators, essentially claiming he was the victim of their “malicious prosecution.”

The suit struck-out in one court.  But the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals recently kicked it back for for another go-round…due to what you might say amounts to a technicality:  The lower court’s addressing the allegations (from Miller) separately…rather than collectively as a single claim.

But back to Girly…for it is all too often that we forget the victim in cases of murder…and other severely brutal crimes…but not tonight.  Not now.

And I assure you the significance of this night is not lost on many people.

To include the lead prosecutor in the case: Paul Spiers.

Earlier today…I spoke with Spiers by telephone.

Shortly after the 2002 Linda Henning trial…Spiers left the DA’s office in New Mexico and went to work for the United States Attorneys’ Office in Albuquerque.   That is where he continues to work to this day as an Assistant US Attorney.

I now share our recorded, unedited, conversation.

I won’t even begin to further lay-out the extremely widespread facts of the case…but feel free to google Hossencofft…H-O-DOUBLE-S-E-N-C-O-DOUBLE-F-T.  Or you might even choose to visit the website I started back in October of 1999…dedicated to this case.  You can find that website at  That’s H-O-S-S.  If you want even more information, you can feel free to look up my book, September Sacrifice. The book is also available on Amazon.

One disclaimer before we hear from Mr. Spiers:  The views he expresses during our conversation are not necessarily the views of the Department of Justice or the United States Attorneys’ Office. He was  speaking to me not as an Assistant US Attorney…rather,  he spoke to me in a personal capacity.

Now, with that said…I’ll share that our discussion began with my mention of this…the 10th anniversary of Girly’s disappearance.  Does Paul Spiers find this benchmark date especially meaningful?

(Please click “play” button at beginning of this post in order to hear the unedited interview with Paul Spiers).


note:  Over the years that transpired during the Hossencofft case, I took hundreds of photographs during my time spent reporting on the investigation and court proceedings.  This all started before digital cameras were mainstream.  So, a typical day involved shooting film, then rushing to TJ’s Camera & One Hour Photo on Tramway Boulevard immediately after work at KRQE-TV (and, in later years, after work at KOB-TV).   I suppose that’s a long-winded way of saying that I also shot a lot of pictures of the large-scale search for Girly’s body conducted west of Magdalena, New Mexico on June 24 & 25, 2000.  You can find 50 of those pictures here.

Unlike that big search in June of 2000, another attempt to locate Girly’s body on the outskirts of Magdalena went undetected by the media.  I had recently become unemployed as my contract had not been renewed at KRQE.  But that didn’t stop me from showing-up at the small scale search on July 7, 2000. Please click here to see pictures from that day (I started work at KOB about a week or so after these pictures were taken).

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“American Justice” to feature Hossencofft case Thursday

Journalist Bill Kurtis takes aim at a bizarre New Mexico murder case this week.  Kurtis, host of A&E’s American Justice, tells the story of the Girly Chew Hossencofft murder in an hour-long episode titled, “Traces in Blood.”

Because I covered this case for the better part of five years–and even wrote a book about it–I was interviewed extensively for this program.  Excerpts of my appearance can be seen here.

According to A&E’s Web site, the episode is scheduled to air twice Thursday, July 3 (10am Eastern/9am Central & 4pm Eastern/3pm Central).  Please check your local listings for details.

A&E describes “Traces in Blood” as follows:

A look at the bizarre case of Diazien Hossencofft, a con man with the ability to convince his victims of just about anything. Hossencofft persuaded Linda Henning, a former fashion designer from New Mexico, that he was something other than human, and Henning started to claim that she was his “alien queen”. We examine the relationship between the two and try to determine if it led to the murder of Diazien’s wife, Girly Chew Hossencofft.

“Traces in Blood” first aired April 7, 2004.  When I was interviewed for the program, I was taking time off from TV work and writing September Sacrifice (Kensington Publishing Corp., December 2004) while holed-up in a wonderful, old adobe home in the remote and charming town of Hillsboro, New Mexico (you can see pictures from my time in Hillsboro here).

In 1999, I published a Web site dedicated to the Hossencofft case. Little did I know back then that would grow into hundreds of pages of articles, pictures, documents and videos.  The site is widely regarded as an excellent Online source for information about the case.

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Exclusive Video: Hossencofft Caribbean cruise

The sensational Hossencofft murder case has been the subject of numerous national television programs, but none of them has featured the video I’m now posting Online. Hossencofft video

The video shows “Dr. Hossencofft” working his so-called charm on a Caribbean cruise. He was very much married at the time. But his wife had no idea what evil already lurked away from her house, destined to reveal its true face inside her home…claiming her life five years after this video was recorded.

The video can be seen here.

View my prior post about Linda Henning appearing on Snapped here.

The program Snapped (Oxygen Network) aired a new episode about Linda Henning Sunday, April 13, 2008 (a repeat is scheduled to air July 6, 2008). You can watch Snapped’s “webisode” here.

And if you’d like to learn more about the Hossencofft case, I have a Web site dedicated to the investigation. Established in 1999 and still growing, you can find the Web site at